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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

Ruby I don't know because Outlaw apparently cannot use actual words but can only use memes.
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

I have seen a lot of comments that it is just a small detail when it comes to how much the settlements were and if the number is accurate or not. Many people have said all that matters is that Watchtower settled and that shows their culpability in the matter. But can let me as you a rhetorical question. How many of those same people when the original Conti verdict came down said that the 20 million dollars showed that the jury saw the true culpability of Watchtower? So is it just a detail when someone questions that it may not be as much as everyone thinks and it is a huge detail when it is, in fact, a big number?
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

It can also be a legal strategy on the plaintiff side to just settle or drop the case. Just like in the Lopez case when the plaintiff won the 13.5, which was reversed on appeal, the plaintiff only won that against Watchtower not against the congregation. They still would have had to go to trial against the congregation, but instead of arguing their case they dismissed against the congregation because they already got the money they wanted. So just because there is an out of court settlement doesn't mean it against watchtower in a large sum or even any sum.
65
Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

The only statement that says estimate ScenicViewer is the statement by SilentLambs for the Fessler Case. All other statements make a statement that is how much was paid. And again scenicviewer, that one case was settled for that amount, doesn't mean all those cases were settled for the same amount, they could have taken more or could have taken less. You cannot just take one settlement and multiply it by 13 and come up with a number and say that is how much they paid, end of the story, no there is a number of circumstances that come into play when a settlement comes down, including the jurisdiction, proof of actual harm and other matters. So it maybe an estimate to say that but then you have to say it is an estimate.
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

I understand that she received one document. This was not certified as a class action lawsuit so the plaintiffs were not settling the cases together. Each plaintiff settled individually, so just because one plaintiff got a certain amount doesn't mean others got it too. The documents were sealed so by definition she couldn't know what each plaintiff received. So again is it just speculation that they all received the same amount and if so that is fine, just say that. But you can't say it as a fact that Watchtower paid out 12.5 million dollars.
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

Doctrine is up to interpretation. When someone says that another person paid 12.5 million dollars to 13 other people, that would be a fact that can be backed up with actual facts. I am just looking to see if this is based on facts or just speculation and because one person said it then everyone just took it as a fact.
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

ScenicViewer I have pointed out where they have stated that these things are facts. And if you based your estimate on something that you have no actual evidence of how can you make an educated estimate of anything.
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RC 2017
by wifibandit in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
due to last years success, i will post everything related to the 2017 regional convention in this thread.. to start us off.... thanks to exjw reddit user ich3b we have advance notice of the theme (this is not a joke!).

the theme for the 2017 regional convention is: "don’t give up!” .

as always, if you have access to confidential materials you would like to leak but need to protect your identity, pm me or email me: wifibandit1 (at) gmail.
Richard Oliver

The 2018 convention theme will involve courage. The first and last video is of Anthony Morris and he speaks on the themes of 2016, 2017 and teases the theme of 2018.
65
Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

From WatchtowerDocuments.org
Incredulously, by mistake, one California court actually sent me court-sealed settlement papers which revealed that the Watch Tower paid out $781,250 to one victim. Multiplying this figure by 16 victims, the total was an even $12,500,000.
from silentlambs.org
In 2007 seventeen victims received an average of $750,000 each in a legal battle that took six years for them to finally pay up.
Jehovah’s Witnesses Pay *$2,000,000+ to Gag Abuse Victim
They even admit that it is only an estimate but they claim it is based on previous settlements, but no one knows what the previous settlements are.
From JWfacts.org
In 2007, the Watchtower settled 16 child abuse cases, with a total payout estimated to have been $13 million dollars.
So is it that everyone just goes off of the unsubstantiated report by Barbara Anderson and it just keeps going and going. even on this site you can find plenty of references to a 12.5 million dollar settlement for 13 plantiffs.
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Lawsuit Settlement Amounts
by Richard Oliver in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
i have a legitimate question and i am not trying to start a fight.

i keep reading that there were 6 child abuse lawsuits that settled for 13 million dollars.

how do people like barbara anderson or jwsurvey or jwfacts come up with this number?
Richard Oliver

Yeah outlaw at least I can speak and don't rely on memes and can't make a coherent argument.